The following contains spoilers from the flashSeason 8 finale.
the flash with his season 8 finale, Eobard Thawne has become more powerful than ever, like the Negative Reverse-Flash. In turn, the Positive Forces resurfaced to similarly overwhelm Barry, as their self-chosen avatar. Meanwhile, Iris is revealed to have cheated death, her conscience finding refuge in the Time Stone that Damien Darhk gave to Joe during “Armageddon”.
Damien trained Iris to facilitate her own escape by rediscovering her lost connection to Barry, after which she dematerialized at Joe’s. Iris then found Barry in the middle of the battle with Thawne and urged him to calm things down, seeing as their fracas was gearing up for, you know, Armageddon. So despite the crackle of the combined might of the other Forces, Barry literally opted to sit for the rest of the rumble, positioning himself criss-crossed in apple sauce on the sidewalk and meditating, much to Thawne’s frustration. Thawne then summoned “After power” to slaughter his enemy where he sat, only to be annihilated by his own excess.
In the coda that followed, Iris reunited Tinya with her rescued mother… Cecile discovered that a form of telekinesis had been added to her power set… Caitlin’s “Frost” chamber malfunctioned, leading Mark to a discovery unexpected…and Barry and Iris enjoyed a quiet, romantic moment at home, where she explained how she had regained their spark, and he thanked her for defusing his fight with Thawne. Then, in a final dart, as Barry and Iris acknowledged that the negative forces would one day find a new avatar, the camera picked up a lab in 2049, where a blue (cobalt?) crystal was on display….
TVLine spoke with Flash showrunner Eric Wallace about planting the seeds of the time sickness arc, which we now have really seen the latest from Tom Cavanagh, why “WestAllen” was put to the test and what that final image meant.
TVLINE | I gave you a slow golf shot when Joe revealed the Time Stone was in his cabinet, and we got the flashback of Damien handing it to him. You really played the long game. How about was the very first seed for this story of bad weather?
It really starts in season 7 – in episode 715, I believe? – where Iris appears to have the flu off-camera. Candice [Patton] wasn’t available for episode 715, so we thought, “I wonder why Iris is not available? Hey! What if this was some evil master plan? What if it really was the bad guys, and not the flu? What if they gave her bad weather and she won’t realize it for six months? Oh my God, we’re going to have the most epic and involved storyline ever, and we’re going to pay for it! This is where it all began. And then there’s a deleted scene that unfortunately wasn’t cut at the end of season 7 – just before the vow renewal, it’s a scene with Iris and Nora –
TVLINE | TVLine actually posted this deleted scene, along with the necklace.
Yes, the necklace scene! I don’t remember if we had the finished effects there, but at the top of the stage you see Iris’ eyes glow green for the first time. Even though she got it off camera in episode 715, that’s where [the time sickness] would have been confirmed to the public. But instead, we talked about it in [Episodes] 801, 802, 803….
TVLINE | Did you by any chance film these new scenes with Neal McDonough at the same time as “Armageddon”, knowing that this encore was coming?
No, but we knew we wanted to bring him back. Going into “Armageddon”, we knew, “Oh, this That’s how we’re going to cure Iris’ time sickness. It’s going to be using the Time Stone to some degree, so hopefully Neal will be available to come back!” By then I had seen the dailies of him working with the rest of Team Flash and it was right Magic. I thought it would make a perfect bookend, not only to the end of the season, in terms of the conclusion of the evil of time story, but also that of “Armageddon”.
What I hope everyone understands is that this is all about “Armageddon” – the start of the season and the end of the season. In the first five episodes, we couldn’t show Armageddon because the hero prevents it. Then as soon as we got to [Episodes] 804, 805 we realized that if Flash solves the mystery and defeats the villain, we won’t see the coolest thing already. “Well, I guess we know what our season finale is now!” It was a wonderful symmetry.
No, not yet – because when we were writing the Season 8 finale, we thought that was the series final. So we thought, “We need to have the biggest, most epic battle of all time between Grant [Gustin] and Tom! This is how it must end. And once the script was done and we were getting ready to start prepping, it is when we learned that we would have a ninth season. So we were like, “Oh shit, we just had the ultimate battle. How are we supposed to always be on top this? Then it was like, “Let’s kill him for now and deal with this later.” [Laughs] Because Reverse-Flash and Negative Reverse-Flash, like Frost, are dead. I mean they are dead. Now…that said…it’s a comic book series, and I’m pretty sure in Season 9 there’s a reason you might see Tom Cavanagh again. I won’t dwell on it, but it’s a safe bet.
TVLINE | Talk about coordination with Legends of tomorrow on Matt Letscher’s Thawne Sharing.
The Legends I’ve had people call me and say, “We have this idea of using Reverse-Flash, but we don’t want to mess up what you’ve got planned, because it’s pretty drastic. [Legends‘ Jan. 22 episode established that the time wraiths had assigned Letcher’s Thawne to safeguard a fixed point in the year 1914.] And then I heard their pitch and I said, “That matches Perfectly with the end of the Armageddon story.
TVLINE | Your lead actress, Candice Patton, has been somewhat isolated from the rest of the cast and canvas for the past few years, starting with the Mirrorverse arc in season 6 and followed by her storyline in Coast City this season, then being MIA for the past four years. weeks. is there Why behind that? And after this finale, can you promise that season 9 will be different on this front?
OK, OK, I hear the note under the note. Yes, I can say unequivocally that in season 9 you will see a lot, a lot no more Barry and Iris together. Not just together in the same room, but together in everything manners. This is something that is part of the new approach for the new season. Every season is different, and Season 9 is going to be very, very fun and very exciting.
The raison we can do it, it is because of what [WestAllen] have gone through over the last season and a half in particular, being separated and growing up individually. As we see in this finale, Iris was the last person to not “level up” yet, and we see that actually happen in the episode. Now that she’s done his upgrade journey she and barry can both face what’s to come in season 9 together, in a relationship with. So you’ll see a lot more of them together, unlike what you saw in Season 8 at times.
TVLINE | So Iris’ perceived isolation was a combination of storytelling needs with maybe a bit of added COVID protocols…?
Oh, no doubt. COVID is ravaging the world as we know it and creating havoc in the way everyone creates their TV shows, not just ours. And if you add that to the stories themselves, it creates a certain style of storytelling. And now that we have completed this journey, we can move on to something new.
TVLINE | How will the outcome of Caitlin’s experiment reconcile the promise made to Danielle Panabaker that Frost is truly and truly dead?
Danielle told the truth, and I keep my promise to her. Frost is dead. But Danielle Panabaker is still a regular at the flash, and we heard his voice speaking to Mark…. This begs the question, who is in there? Is it Caitlin, or is it something else? It’s something we’ll see immediately at the peak of Season 9 – and I think everyone will be as surprised as Mark.
Die-hard comic book fans know what’s coming; those who don’t, I’m not spoiling it here, so it’s going to be a big surprise for them. But yeah, we’re pulling straight from the comics here, and boy is it going to be fun.
TVLINE | When we spoke last month, you still didn’t know the answer to this question: will season 9 be the last season?
I still do not know. I do not know. I hope it’s not. I have lots of projects. The first three seasons [I was showrunner], 6, 7 and 8, is really a great omnibus. And this whole story is now over. I’m in the process of formulating a new, shorter two-season plan for seasons 9 and 10, so hopefully I can tell this story, because I know where I’m going.
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